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Appropriate use of interns

  • 1.  Appropriate use of interns

    Posted 12-19-2016 09:11 AM

    I would appreciate the opinions of Open Forum readers on the appropriate use of interns in a curatorial repository at which I have been a long time volunteer.  The repository is a county operated facility which curates both objects of local history importance and artifacts from state owned property.   There is one part-time employee, who is retiring soon. The county administrator in charge of the repository is an urban planner who is just beginning to develop her understandings of the scope of collections care and management. 


    The administrator is pursuing increasing the repository's use of undergraduate anthropology interns from a local university to do the repository's collection care and management work as a cost reduction.  I think that there was an Open Forum discussion about interns recently, and I remember that there have been lawsuits regarding internships as learning opportunities vs. free/cheap workers.  Unfortunately, I didn't archive any of that information.


    In addition the administrator has proposed replacing the retiring curator with an adjunct professor from the university to be on-site to supervise the increased number of interns.  The university offers anthropology and archaeology courses, including laboratory analysis of archaeological artifacts, but does not have a program in museum studies or collections care and management.  Thus, no adjunct professor would have training in the legal, ethical, or stewardship aspects of the artifacts the repository holds in trust, and would only be able to provide the interns with minimal collections care and management instruction.


    I have expressed my opinion that this proposed plan is ill-advised regarding both appropriate use of interns and ensuring the future of the repository.  I would appreciate your suggestions about discussion points and resources to which to direct the administrator.  


    Mary Ann Gabriel
    Long-time Volunteer, Concerned Citizen, and Certified Collections Care and Management Specialist

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  • 2.  RE: Appropriate use of interns

    Posted 12-19-2016 09:41 AM

    Hi Mary Ann,

    My advice would be to see if it would be possible to have the outgoing curator train the professor who will be overseeing interns. It sounds like they just don't want to (or maybe can't) hire another curator and are wanting to use resources they already have. 

    On the use of student interns, it sound like they would be getting hands on collection experience which is appropriate. Would it be better if they were paid? Absolutely. But they will get helpful experience working with the collection. It'd be inappropriate if the interns were doing things like making coffee or doing other unrelated tasks. Maybe down the road they'll be able to pay the interns. 

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    Kali Mason

    AAM Annual Meeting & MuseumExpo, Baltimore, May 16-19, 2024, click to learn more


  • 3.  RE: Appropriate use of interns

    Posted 12-19-2016 10:15 AM

    Thank you for your response, Kali. 

    Another concern which I didn't mention is that the repository curator position is a contract position, not an employee position.  Under this state's labor laws, service for an employer is considered employment if, among other conditions, the employer were to "provide more than minimal training for the individual."  Therefore, to provide sufficient training to someone who has no collections care and management experience would be in violation of state labor laws.

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    Mary Ann Gabriel

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  • 4.  RE: Appropriate use of interns

    Posted 12-20-2016 11:18 AM

    Mary Ann,

    You identify two distinct, if connected, concerns. First is the replacement of paid by unpaid (volunteer) staff. Your state's labor law may have something specific to say about that (e.g. it may not be legal). This is distinct from an educational internship where the paid employee is teaching/mentoring the student volunteer. Which brings us to the second question of contractor vs employee; if the position requires supervision and training it is, according to the NLRB, not a contractor-client relationship. These contradictions may also threaten the organization's tax status with IRS.

    regards,

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    Kevin Coffee
    Oneida Community Mansion House
    Oneida, NY

    AAM Annual Meeting & MuseumExpo, Baltimore, May 16-19, 2024, click to learn more


  • 5.  RE: Appropriate use of interns

    Posted 12-20-2016 02:09 PM
    Thanks Kevin and Kalli,

    The organization is a county. Are county governments exempt from labor laws?


    Mary Ann

    “The economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment.”
    Carl Safina, Song for the Blue Ocean, 1997


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  • 6.  RE: Appropriate use of interns

    Posted 12-21-2016 08:22 AM

    Mary Ann,

    This is not legal advice.

    My understanding is that government entities (state, local, federal) are specifically excluded from the National Labor Relations Act, but other federal or state laws and regulations may apply. For example no entity is exempt from federal law regarding EEO and workplace discrimination. State laws may be more (or less) protective of employees, and your state's labor department may be a good place to start an inquiry regarding those protections.

    regards,

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    Kevin Coffee
    Oneida Community Mansion House
    Oneida, NY

    AAM Annual Meeting & MuseumExpo, Baltimore, May 16-19, 2024, click to learn more


  • 7.  RE: Appropriate use of interns

    Posted 12-21-2016 08:41 AM
    Kevin,

    Of course. If there is one thing Marie Malaro has taught us, it is that museums are always advised to seek competent legal advice. I appreciate the information.

    Thank you,
    Mary Ann Gabriel

    “The economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment.”
    Carl Safina, Song for the Blue Ocean, 1997


    AAM Annual Meeting & MuseumExpo, Baltimore, May 16-19, 2024, click to learn more


  • 8.  RE: Appropriate use of interns

    Posted 12-19-2016 10:02 AM

    I have big issues with unpaid internships and will not do them as I think they are unfair. I am very surprised that since this is a "government entity" that they could even get away with an unpaid internship unless it is connected to a college or university. I would write up your concerns including documentation of labor practices in the county and send it to the administrator as well as whoever is above her. The reason being that if they go down this path, it will be very difficult to get a line item back in the budget for even a part-time person. They have to have someone who knows what they are doing oversee the interns. I wish you success!

     

    Barbara Elfman

    Executive Director

    Metropolitan Waterworks Museum

    617-277-0065

    2450 Beacon Street

    Boston, MA 02467

    Barbara.Elfman@waterworksmuseum.org

    @MetroWaterworks

     

     




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  • 9.  RE: Appropriate use of interns

    Posted 12-19-2016 10:36 AM

    Thank you Barbara.  I had not yet taken the step of written documentation to both the administrator and her supervisor,

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    Mary Ann Gabriel

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  • 10.  RE: Appropriate use of interns

    Posted 12-20-2016 10:03 AM

    Hi Mary Ann,

    Hmm that's a bit unusual. Is it possible that whomever they have oversee the interns, that their job description will be altered to include this work? Then the job would be incorporated into a full time salaried position. 

    Either way, what Barbara suggested is a good idea. 

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    Kali Mason

    AAM Annual Meeting & MuseumExpo, Baltimore, May 16-19, 2024, click to learn more


  • 11.  RE: Appropriate use of interns

    Posted 12-21-2016 11:31 AM

    It would appear the professional scope and level of this whole operation is totally amiss when it comes to acting and operating like a museum.  It suffers from the concept that anyone can work in a museum regardless of experience, expertise or relevant knowledge about or for a particular museum's subject, as reflected through its objects.  All the job gerrymandering in the world does not result in competencies when the purpose is to save money and use incompetent people (unqualified student interns) (e.g. free labor) to do what professionals in various museum disciplines are trained to do.  In addition to the pending fiasco described there are very serious issues of collection security at stake. Nubskulls who think they can save money and rearrange the deck chairs of a sinking ship are woefully remiss and their idiocy should be brough to prominent public attention by whatever means necessary - be it overt or covert.

    Steven Miller

    Executive Director

    Boscobel Restoration, Inc.

    Garrison NY

    Adjunct Professor (for 14 years)

    Seton Hall University MA Program in Museum Professions 

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    Steven Miller
    Executive Director
    Boscobel House and Gardens
    Garrison NY

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