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  • 1.  Vinyl Letters for Exhibit

    Posted 09-15-2015 10:28 AM

    We are installing vinyl lettering in our upcoming exhibit, but have been told we can't apply the letters until 2 weeks after painting the walls. Our installation schedule only allows 1 week, but we are using "flat" paint, which I hear helps cut down the time you have to wait. Does anyone have any advice or insight from experience with vinyl letters?

    Thank you!

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    Lindsay Elliott
    Museum Specialist
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  • 2.  RE: Vinyl Letters for Exhibit

    Posted 09-16-2015 09:04 AM

    My experience with vinyl lettering on exhibit walls is long and varied. I am not sure that flat paint would be any better in terms of a short waiting time before application of vinyl graphics. We seldom used flat paint, but occasionally had "interesting" results when we used the same paint as always. In one instance in particular, we could not get the lettering to stick to the surface, which caused something of a momentary panic. We asked a tech from the graphics company to do the application, and he had as much trouble as we did, but at least he managed to complete the job. Various conditions in your gallery would have an influence on the curing time for the paint -- temperature and relative humidity make a difference. Still, overall you are dealing with proprietary materials that can be different from one year to the next, or even one month to the next, just to make things more confusing. If you have a week to let the paint cure, I am not sure what alternatives you have, but if you order a little extra lettering for a bit of empirical testing, that's about the best gauge of how and when to proceed.

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    Bruce MacLeish
    Curator Emeritus
    Newport Restoration Foundation
    Newport RI
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  • 3.  RE: Vinyl Letters for Exhibit

    Posted 09-16-2015 09:32 AM

    Hello - 

    I have used vinyl lettering either for titles, text blocks or large scale images off and on for the last 10 years and have never been told that the paint needs to cure for a certain period of time before applying.  Could it be the type of vinyl you have chosen?  Also how long will you need the lettering to remain on the wall?  

    Our exhibits are never more than 6-8 months but I have definitely only finished painting (usually with eggshell) on Friday and had letters applied the following Monday with no ill effects.  I am in a very humid climate and the walls in the gallery are concrete so its not the best for adhesive in general but vinyl letters have never given me a problem with falling off or not sticking.  I do have the company who cuts the letters install for me as it never fails a letter is always missing or something of the sort and that way they will always fix it within the day without more time out of your schedule.

    I would ask if there is a different type of vinyl that can be used that doesn't have this requirement or ask a different company in your area what they think the best wait time before installing might be.  It could be the company you are working with has had a problem once and is overly cautious now.

    Good luck - I would love to know what you find out once the exhibit it up.


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    Lenora Costa
    Curator
    Longue Vue House & Gardens
    New Orleans LA
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  • 4.  RE: Vinyl Letters for Exhibit

    Posted 09-16-2015 10:46 AM

    Hello,

    Our exhibit change-out schedules have never allowed a two-week cure time between paint and vinyl graphics application. 

    That said, I've never had trouble either applying or removing vinyl on our latex painted surfaces.  Our normal MO is to spackle/drywall compound all the dings and holes then paint.  We'll prime first over heavy repairs or everywhere if we're changing the color.  Light coats dry faster than heavy. 

    Of course you'll want to let the paint cure as long as possible, but unless you're applying several primer and paint coats three or four days should suffice under most circumstances.  That's assuming you have descent air circulation along with stable RH and temps.  That's the conditions we work in, anyway.

    I always "test" the adhesion as I'm applying by slowly removing the backing paper, squeegeeing as I go to make sure the vinyl stays on the wall.  Pay close attention to I-dots, apostrophes, and small serifs.  You'll get a good idea how it's going to stick, and you can squeegee more and apply more pressure if you need to.

    As always your mileage may vary, so always test somewhere that's easy to fix before you dive all the way in. 
    Hope this helps, and good luck!
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    Curtis Morris
    Exhibits Manager
    Shiloh Museum of Ozark History
    Springdale AR
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  • 5.  RE: Vinyl Letters for Exhibit

    Posted 09-16-2015 11:14 AM

    One week should be plenty of time as long as you are not in a high humidity environment which could slow the paint drying process.  I install most of the vinyl lettering in a climate controlled museum that uses a lot of flat paint and have only had problems due to paint dry time when waiting less than 3-4 days after painting to install it.  Applying vinyl too soon after painting can cause problems with the letters not sticking to the wall or cause the tacky vinyl backing paper to stick too tightly to the wall and pull paint off when removed.  Those spots then usually need to be patched and painted which can be difficult to do without further damaging the lettering.  If the walls are being painted with a completely new color or finish, using a primer in between paint layers helps the new paint adhere better to keep the vinyl from removing it.  A simple tip for installing vinyl in a quick turn around: take the time to go over each letter of the text individually while applying as little pressure as possible to the backing paper that contains no lettering and remove the backing paper slowly and deliberately to prevent any damage to the walls.  Good luck!

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    Erica Buss
    Facilities and Security Assistant
    Mildred Lane Kemper Art Museum
    Saint Louis MO
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  • 6.  RE: Vinyl Letters for Exhibit

    Posted 09-16-2015 12:13 PM

    Lindsay,

    You shouldn't need to wait two weeks--our exhibition designers typically have a much faster turnaround than that. I should note that you'll have more difficult getting vinyl lettering to stick on surfaces that have been painted with a very dark color vs. a lighter color. It was explained to me once that this is because the darker paint has more pigment and the off-gassing causes problems for the vinyl. So if you're on a tight turnaround I recommend a lighter color. Good luck!

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    Gordon Umbarger
    Director of Operations
    National Museum of Women in the Arts
    Washington DC
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  • 7.  RE: Vinyl Letters for Exhibit

    Posted 09-29-2015 05:50 PM

    We've had our share of difficulties with vinyl occasionally not wanting to stick to painted walls.  Usually it has been at its worst when going onto dark walls (especially blood red or deep blue). I agree that it's likely something with the pigments.

    One time, it was literally falling off the wall as fast as the installer put it in place.  It would have made a good Charlie Chaplin routine if the exhibition hadn't been opening in two days!  A combination of heat gun, glue pen, windex-like spray and a lot of burnishing final got it to hold adequately.  

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    Timothy Wintemberg
    Director of Exhibition Design
    The Newark Museum
    Newark NJ
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  • 8.  RE: Vinyl Letters for Exhibit

    Posted 09-30-2015 10:10 AM

    I've been told by our printer that some low VOC paints have silicon or some other additive that rises to create a film or barrier on the surface with the purpose of slowing the release of VOC's. A side effect of this is adhesives do not stick very well to that surface layer. 

    We're painting walls today and tomorrow that will have vinyl lettering applied less than 2 weeks from now. Perhaps the lettering you're getting is a low tack and you should have the vendor use a vinyl product with a higher tack adhesive.  

    I'll also second Gordon's comment about darker colored paint not working well. I've experienced object labels slowly creeping up around the edges when used on dark painted platforms. This is less of a problem with high tack products.


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    Brandon Scott
    Design Assistant
    Mint Museum
    Charlotte NC
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